‘Not A Villain’ Webcomic – Page 509&510

Colors by Audrey with edits and everything else by me.

 

I originally wanted this one to be page 500. Oh well.

Edit: Fixed a typo. Thanks to those who caught it!

 

Meet ups!

I will be in Ottawa, Canada at Dick's () on Saturday, July 30th @1pm

I'll also be in Montreal, Canada, at Yeh! (5037 Rue Sherbrooke O, Montrรฉal, QC H4A 1S8, Canada) on Sat, July 30th @6pm

Boston is next week. Still working on the location but it will be around 4pm.

chipthemonk

Page looks awesome!

Some of my random thoughts looking at the page:
Was this the same move as before?? The other one didn’t explode like this…
It looks like she (both Kat and Danni?) can respawn but she loses her esone.. conclusion: esones also function like extra lives? I wonder if the Dude is okay, if he isn’t Bandit just took out 3 of his teammates.. they should be calling him Bloody Bandit >.>

Marduk

The other one was split into 2, so this either isn’t the same move or its destructive power is doubled.
Esones do act as extra lives and it is possible to have multiple esones. I don’t remember the page, but there was an esone tutorial shortly after they did the mission to determine alignments.

chipthemonk

I went back and reread some pages and found this one:
http://navcomic.com/not-a-villain/page-421/
It seems that esone placement matters as well since Kat told Danni to specifically hide the esone near her heart, maybe that allows it to have the secondary effect of absorbing one fatal attack. The text says “esone can absorb one hit. will dissolve after second hit” so I think this is the second hit we are seeing.

I wonder when Kat respawns if she’ll still have the chimera… maybe she can sick it on Bandit hah

Gilly

No, it was blasted by one of the first of Bandit’s hits.

LIliet

…well.

With a little help from Danny, Bandit’s plan worked?

Also, wheeeeeeeeeeeeeew. This is still not permanent.

Alex

Wait, so Danni still had her Esone after all? Was she lucky Herve’s attack didn’t hit it?

Also, why would everyone be mad at you? Because you spread 1 panel across 2 pages? XD
Heh, nah, I wasn’t mad, I just voiced an opinion and the majority of responses were in disagreement, anyway. Savor the scene for as long as you want. ๐Ÿ™‚ I admit the scene looks like it requires splash pages.

I want to be like one of those future readers who get to read the whole scene at once. So, see you in a couple of weeks!

Craig Rawe

I’m not sure Danni did/does have her esone left, that was from Kat’s game overlay. I’m now worried Danni might have taken too many hits in the explosion and sacrificed herself for nothing…

Dormagio

That was definitely Danni, that first hit took Kat’s Esone

Dormagio

Or maybe not? It said “Esone Depleted No More Saves” on the last hit. I though that was a death, but maybe not?

Liliet

I think Aneeka means Danni and Kat getting hurt in this after all >_<

Johnny

Ah shoot there goes Kat’s 100%.

Does this mean if she had taken the hit head-on it would have been perma-death or was Danni’s save for naught?

Also that message is for both of them, right?

Zarmoth

So he killed BOTH of them? Well, that won’t help his rankings whatsoever. And he might still lose to the other team.

Chiu ChunLing

You mean popularity rankings, right? He’s probably not going to lose to the other team, though Jane is still a factor…she’ll be kinda pissed now that it seems that Bandit was just kill-stealing instead of actually trying to keep the team together.

Baldrickk

Nooooooo! Danni….

Arsenic Adict

Wow.

If for “mad” you mean “in total awe”, yes we do.

Lina

I was going to be mad…
Untill I read that the NEXT death will be permanent. So this death isn’t. So I’m not mad, because this is just dramatic, nothing permanent ๐Ÿ™‚

SeattleFan#8

I know right. When I read the first part I was like O_O

But holy h***, was NOT expecting this, props to Aneeka for surprising the h*** out of me and keeping us guessing!

Roosterhead

Did not expect that to happen. Bravo.

Wysteria

I adore that Kat’s attitude hasn’t really changed, she just doesn’t have the killer focus needed to time her hacking in surprising moments of stress, either because of Danni distracting her or flashbacks. It’s very sneaky! Without intending to be sneaky.

Hymn

Should Easones be Esones, or is that a really weird plural form?

Surprised they’ve actually ‘died’ though. Pleasantly surprised to have not seen that coming.

Moridain

Bandit you just ball of a**.

Can people leave a team after joining? I kind of want Kat and Danni to head off at this point.

Screw that noise.

Trisscar

I suspect that extra ‘a’ in the Esone second text box isn’t supposed to be there….

Chiu ChunLing

Yeah, I don’t see most viewers wanting to keep this team. Definitely a big petition drive situation. It kinda crosses the line between “interesting group dynamic” and “why the hell are those guys even allowed in the game anymore?”

Then again, given how much more destructive this attack was than the last one, Bandit might be a tree now. And in that case viewers might still want to see Kat and Danni dealing with just Jane. The interesting hidden dynamic there is that Jane has IRL reasons not to push to the absolute limit against Kat.

Pebkio

Well, holy crap… he was looking to kill everyone in a giant explosion that would definitely take out the tree? How is he not a tree by now? Is he a tree right now? I don’t think Danni is dead, but she’s definitely lost her Esone too. There were signs that she was just on the last legs of her life. The 100% is gone too, now, I bet, seeing as Danni died.

The dude is probably fine though.

Btw, side note Aneeka, you spelled it “Easone” in the second dialogue box”.

Chiu ChunLing

They’re both transparent, and Danni got hit by the other Demoli attack earlier, that hit her Esone. That’s why Kat took the first hit herself, because Danni didn’t have any saves left.

Pebkio
Actually, as it was explained, the Esone can “absorb” the first hit but will be dissolved on the second. It also counts as an extra life, dissolving if you die but you get to live for a bit longer. So I think Danni is still in the game, just without an Esone, same as Kat. But I also think that these faux deaths still count as deaths in terms of Erbana percentage. Not her own, I don’t think, but certainly Danni’s. I also doubt that an esone will help if you’re turned into a tree. Bandit should be a tree.
Chiu ChunLing
Yes on Danni being in the same state as Kat (dead with one respawn). Losing Erbana points…that seems less certain. Kat was the one actually targeted by the attack, given game physics, that might mean she counts as having died ‘before’ Danni. I can’t see how a dead player can count as having anyone else die ‘in range’, that’d basically be like having a logged out player dinged for other players dying ‘around’ her. Even if they count as dying simultaneously, still questionable whether it counts. Erbana’s can’t let anyone perish in a certain range, but both the phrasing and… Read more »
Snoots

So trying to figure out– is that message for Danni or Kat or both?

Nikary

Well… it’s the thought that counts.

Crestlinger

Always throw your fireballs in groups of at least two^

Jane
Thinking about this team from the perspective of the viewers… Literally the first thing Jane did when the team joined the game was try to kill her teammates, who immediately fled; then the team (sans Jane) is ambushed, which Kat foils in a hyper-competent manner… Only to immediately turn on her own teammate for reasons that I doubt the viewers sympathize with; then Kat goes on to pretty much solo an entire enemy team, only for the Bandit to turn on the team as well, killing one of them. I wonder how this all affects their ratings? I imagine they… Read more »
Justin

Pardon my memory, but where/when did Kat turn on her team mates? I mean, if you call trying to stop them from outright killing “turning on” someone, then I guess that fits, but even then…. Did I forget something?

Jane
Well, the other team had openly attacked them; Bandit was merely retaliating. With no real explanation of her actions, Kat attacked him and left him helpless. With him having broken free before the fight ended and having attempted to kill Kat afterwards, the viewers have no real way of knowing how far Kat would have taken things – was she just giving Bandit a metaphorical “time-out”? Was she going to do some sort of weird Esona thing to ensure he “be nice”? Was she going to attempt some form of extortion? We know what Kat had planned, but all the… Read more »
mightycleric
I would assume that most people who watch the game have at least a working knowledge of the basics of each alignment, even though Erbana is less common. As such, they would know that it would hurt her alignment for somebody to die, and that she’d already incapacitated them, quite handily. As such, Bandit’s actions would be the more inexplicable, since she simply incapacitated him, temporarily and without harming him, and he is putting his entire team at serious risk of permanent death. It is one thing to try to keep a high rating, but another to try to kill… Read more »
Chiu ChunLing
Whether or not anyone would know that, Sandra told Paddy to publicize it, so certainly all their group’s viewers know. And Bandit TOLD Kat, “then nicely stop me.” Which makes her entangle move a hilarious direct response to Bandit’s express imperative. In case anyone didn’t quite get it, Dude asked her what she was doing and she explained “He wasn’t going to be nice.” THEN she ‘nicely’ (or at least non-lethally) incapacitates the entire opposing group with a little help from Dude and Danni. And then, Bandit goes nuts and starts trying to kill anything he can, including his own… Read more »
Aaron Lehmann

So, they all get two lives? In that case, this can only be good for their team ratings, because now there’s skin in the game. That makes them interesting. I’d think every team would find a way to make this happen as soon as possible.

How many people would watch the Tour de France if all the riders had training wheels and rode mopeds? That’s how I’d feel about a team with all their “extra lives” intact.

Similarly, maybe Kat’s 100% won’t be affected, since no one was really killed.

Nikary

No, that death probably still counted. At least, that’s what Bandit was counting on and what Kat was afraid of. And if you remember, both of them know the Game mechanics perfectly well.

Chiu ChunLing

If Kat’s 100% survived, then it’s because she died too, thus being removed from the area for the purpose of calculating whether she allowed anyone to die inside her range (whatever that is).

What they don’t have now is Esones, and those are kinda necessary for Kat’s style of play. She can still do minor tricks with plants, but she doesn’t have access to specials. But for Danni that’s a pretty small handicap, all things considered.

Tyler

The tree was definitely hit, too. Notice the bark peeling away in the lower left corner. So not only did Bandit kill two of his teammates (maybe three since we don’t know the location of Dude), he causes environmental damage. So one encounter in and Bandit is probably a tree, Kat and Danni are dead… Jane is AWOL and Dude is possibly dead.

I’m sure if the game viewers voted on who would be the last team member standing, Jane would NOT have gotten picked…

Alexander The 1st

Jane would’ve been picked for the bet – if only because it’s what happened last time.

Tyler

Haha, yea, but probably for different reasons.

Chiu ChunLing

Bandit still had a save on his Esone, probably.

Jane could still kill him, but for now he’s probably okay, and I doubt Bandit will continue attacking his own team until after mopping up the other team.

Kin

Oh – this works like a normal difficulty game. You have both “lives” AND “game overs”. Now that I know Bandit simply wanted to take a “life” from Kat… I’m not nearly as mad.

And now I’m anticipating The Dude’s special!

Komm

Good job, Bandit. Her 100% is down the tubes, so it’s a start. After this, start long-term planning on how to throw those b**tards who want to kill her off her tail. Keep that silly and overconfident hacker alive, she deserves a chance at redemption. Can’t have that if she’s dead or stuck in a box fixing everyone’s problems for them like a slave.

Bob

Hey, maybe her 100% aren’t down the drain after all.
I mean, maybe she is allowed to die herself.
And while she is dead others may die around her.
If she died before danni everything might be fine ๐Ÿ˜‰

Chiu ChunLing

Yeah, I’d tend to imagine that anyone who dies while you are dead counts as being outside of your range.

Kevin

Clever! I didn’t consider order of operations might mean she maintains her 100%. I’m also curious if her own death counts. Though I’d like to think Bandit thought that far ahead, but who knows.

r2d2go

This is actually the best result I can think of – no hacking, gets tenka off her trail, she’s not permadead. And she gets to be even more BFFs with Danni ๐Ÿ˜€

Cloy552

…wasn’t dude in that tree?

requiemzero

okay so what the h*** is bandits problem?? how do you explain that move to sponsors or fans?? my teammate was singlehandedly winning the fight for us so i blew her and my other teammate up?? this was all so stupid and the plan made zero sense. i really hope kat slaps the crap out of him. like a lot. and kicks him in the balls a bit

Justin
In reality, there will likely be some weird viewers that like his tactics. Remember, the only real detail we know about Demoli’s is that they make “everything go boom”- there is every possibility that he will still have plenty of fans, just the warped ones that enjoy backstabbing. In real life there are people that watch Aladdin to cheer for Jafar, that hope Little Red becomes dog-food, etc. (Horror movies are a classic example). Some people just enjoy betrayal/evil people doing evil things. (Example: My best friend cheers for Jigsaw in Saw, and refuses to watch the show on the… Read more »
Liliet

Kat’s first move in this fight was to incapacitate him. Demoli and Erbana are directly at odds with each other as far as keeping their alignment goes. His explanation can be just ‘I want to get to actually do stuff’

requiemzero

but he actually killed her

androshalforc

actually there not demoli as far as we know is just excessive destruction it does not require killing morto on the other hand does require killing
so morto and erbana are directly at odds

example kat could get all the orphans out of the orphanage and then bandit could burn it down.
no deaths and excessive destruction both keep high alignment

Justin

But think about it. Wanton destruction can be done two ways- with lethal OR non lethal results. From some viewers perspectives, it would be totally in character. Arsonists are a classic example.

mightycleric

I really want him to be a tree. I want him to have been so focused on hurting her, that he trapped himself as a tree, and would have to make a new character to get back in the game (if he can).

requiemzero

i would enjoy this greatly

Odd-Ball
Okay, after reading the comments and the page, I feel the need to say what the page shows, as there seems to be some confusion. Kat is dead, as in DEAD, Permi-dead, no longer in the game. The first hit from bandit destroyed her esone, the second killed her. Danni is not dead. The hit that killed Kat destroyed Danni’s esone, so the next blow to reduce her to or below 0hp will result in permi-death. That is why Aneeka is saying we will be mad at her, because she killed Kat in the game, and Danni won’t have Kat… Read more »
Why Wont He Die?
Respectfully, I think you’re 100% wrong. Look at the wording on page 502: http://navcomic.com/not-a-villain/page-502/ “Esone Hit! No More Saves. 20% Health!” Now compare that to the text in this comic: “HP Depleted! You lose an Esone! You have died!” “You have 0 Esones left. Next Death will be permanent.” It sounds to me like the first hit she took (on page 502) brought her down to 20% life. It very clearly doesn’t say anything about her dying, nor does it say anything about losing an Esone. This hit clearly says “You lose an Esone! You have died!”. The closest thing… Read more »
chipthemonk
Yea, I’ll have to go back into the archives and look at the esone tutorial page but it seems that esones can take a hit to prevent a one hit KO and if you end up dying after, you lose one. From what I remember both Danni’s and Kat’s esones were “hit” when they took the demoli attacks (Herb and Bandit’s first one) and this one just finished them off causing them to lose the esone but they are not permadead. Sorry if it esones were already explained before.. I just really like talking about them haha. I think they… Read more »
Nelowulf
Well this is an awkward situation at best. You’ll have fans who enjoy the whole boomfest, but probably lose more to the fact that this entire fight (while somewhat unique) is ultimately watching teenagers bicker over things as they turn on each other in dramatic fashion. Of course, without knowing the fanbase in their world, it is quite possible that this whole stunt has all but made matters worse. As this is the very first time the team has been shown, all it has done is self-implode. While a few fans will stick to their guns, if this is anything… Read more »
Liliet

Bandit has got a villain alignment, and Kat’s job as an Erbana would be to stop anything he’s doing. Unlike DnD, you don’t get a ‘for the greater good’ loophole of teaming up with villains here, it’s either Kat’s score or the Mortos’ and Demolis’ scores.

Nothing here is out of character.

mightycleric

It is still out of character to try to kill teammates, even as a villain, as evidenced by the dislike/fear showed to Jane and how people think she got booted from the game for killing teammates.

Liliet

No, no, no. See, most Groups are actually formed by players deciding to be together. It’s unusual for teammates to kill each other because they have no reason to.

This Group was thrown together unwillingly by the Game Trials. The entire reason Kat got thrust into spotlight is her rivalry with Bandit, remember? Their shtick is that they ended up with an Erbana, a Morto and a Demoli in the same group, all three determined to keep their alignment.

This hasn’t happened before, yes, it’s unusual, but in their situation it’s -not- out of character for any of them.

mightycleric
Actually, based on the game trials, it is a regular occurrence for a player to be grouped with a bunch of strangers. This group happens to have more strangers added at a time than other groups, but it is very regular for teams to be formed with players that are not at all familiar with the rest of their team. Despite this, killing of your teammates is still rare enough that when somebody kills multiple team members, the viewers think that is why the person was banned from the game. I do remember the Game Trials, and what caused Kat… Read more »
Chiu ChunLing
That’s an interesting point, but as a Demoli Bandit probably can’t efficiently go after one specific person, they would seem to specialize in area-effect attacks and indiscriminate destruction. That said, there is an entire group of clearly hostile players to eliminate, and while Bandit’s initial opening of also targeting Danni (and Dude) to attempt to prevent Kat from blocking his attack made sense to him, it probably didn’t make sense to most of his viewers (who were probably expecting him to be able to handle Kat without resorting to indiscriminate violence…or at least try). Remember, the fans didn’t get to… Read more »
Nelowulf
Since D&D was brought up, here’s the counterpoint: If demons and devils are both evil, then why is there a distinction? Bandit, while so far seen as a rather explosive guy, has had some sort of logis to his attacks; He is more towards a “lawful” bent, from his dealing with jane to his use of children in the tutorial and others. Unlike Jane who deals with the “chaotic” nature of things. And backstabbing in the middle of the fight, with little to no provocation seen by the viewers, is somewhat counter to his persona’s typical actions seen on screen.… Read more »
Chiu ChunLing
I believe that the narrative purpose in D&D is to subvert the implication of a simple “good vs. evil” morality system, thus having multiple kinds of competing evil forces as well as both good and evil gods and different heavens for chaotic, lawful, and neutral alignments (where that is applied). So in that sense, the objection makes sense. Yes, Bandit’s attacks on Kat and Danni are clearly ‘evil’, and Demoli is a villain alignment, but while Bandit is using Demoli attacks nothing else about this strategy would seem in-character to his fans. From a narrative viewpoint, it might be best… Read more »
nesu42

Obvious Quest Goal: Get new esones!

Liliet

Ooooh. Now I’m thinking that Kat might give any single obvious thing to do to Danni as a quest. “Quest from player Kat: don’t die in this fight” “Quest from player Kat: give me that plant over there” “Quest from player Kat: find a new Esone” “Quest from player Kat: answer player Dude’s question”

like tutorials in video games that often go in quest form!

This prooobably won’t give her any XP, but it might help nudge her alignment in the needed way!

jaded_envy
I admire your ability to move the story forward while keeping the characters true to themselves. You’ve established that Kat will go to almost any length to win, and while that’s slowly changing, it’s too early in her development to completely give that up. Jake still is doing what he thinks is right and isn’t holding back because the plot demands that Kat not be figured out yet. Having him make a bold move like killing Kat is both interesting and in tune with what we’ve learned of him. I like that you stopped Kat from revealing herself without forcing… Read more »
Chiu ChunLing

So what I’m wondering is, what happens to Esones when the user is killed? Do the depleted Esones drop like treasure? The other team’s Kesti earlier said “Your Esone is so min-uh?” I think he meant he would get her Esone by killing her.

So are depleted Esones still useful, or do they need to be recharged or something, or are they just standard treasure (like gems or something)?

Meerling

So does the monster Kat was controlling, despawn, run away, attack the person that attacked it’s master, or revert to uncontrolled monster status?

Marie

I honestly don’t think Bandit expected Kat to jump in front and they (2 or 3) to die. The lion she was on would save one target, and she didn’t have anything to save the other. He expected another (hacker) fix, if anything, not a martyr one. (which is probably more erbana points anyway… dying martyrs get miracles in many belief systems)

He expected her not to be able to save both, and LOSE, lose erbana points not her life. He really cn’t fathom thatbeing a hero is now a greater obsession than winning alone.

Kittenykat

I’ve said this a dozen times, but Bandit is going to have his work cut out for him explaining his actions to both his team and his fans. He just turned traitor on them for no apparent reason. Nobody can read his thoughts, and while he can rationalize it all he wants in terms of ‘protecting her from discovery by Dr. Grace, et. all’, that’s not exactly a point he can bring up in public.

James

Looking back on it, it seems we take for granted that Bandit’s actions will be seen as strange by the viewers and that people will think its weird he is targetting part of their group…

But if you remember the beginning of the fight, Kat incapacitated him. Not only that but she incapacitated him to save the other team. It could very easily be argued that his attacks on her are justified as she is working at cross-purposes to him/them and initiated the hostilities against him when she incapacitated him.

Laika

I honestly think this is an important moment for Kleya! Like, she was clearly equating getting the right score with doing the right thing. And that would be very bad, considering her obsessive tendencies. This way she can develop a more complex understanding of what it means to be a hero, which she sorely needs.

Chiu ChunLing
I wouldn’t be too sure that Kleya doesn’t understand the difference between crafting a public appearance and actually being good…her ‘big bad’ is the person who denounced her as a monster and was believed because he was “a hero”. I’m basically certain that Deconstruct Me wasn’t a real group led by Kleya, and I’m almost certain that Tenka knew that perfectly well. I imagine Kleya can figure out that this means that “the hero” deliberately lied about her to destroy her credibility and incidentally (or perhaps as an intended result?) caused the deaths of most of the world’s competent programmers…in… Read more »
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