What do you think of the idea of doing text-updates? Erfworld has a similar update-speed as you have (i.e. graphics are awesome and therefore take lots of time), so they’re throwing in updates that are lots of text and maybe 1 image at the end. It allows for longer inner monologues, faster plot-development and I think it’s perfect for scenes where little action and lots of dialogue is happening, because e.g. you won’t have to worry about how arms and legs have to be positioned. 😉
Please don’t do text updates. They’re the reason I don’t read erfworld anymore. They are these extremely long wall of texts that are very annoying to read, but you can’t skip them because vital plot information is hidden in them.
I think the text updates is the best part of erfworld. I like them better than the real comics
the videos however I hate.
I’m going with the “please don’t do text updates” either. They work on some very few comics, but even then I want to be able to follow the story from the images themselves.
To be fair, Erfworld has a different artist from its writer. The text update thing was started because of the artist changing a lot and now serves to buffer the Kickstarter demands.
So, note to author: don’t do a kickstarter unless you have minions to handle the deluge of stretch goal obligations! Also, thank you for being awesome.
lol, it seems like not everyone likes text-walls. ^^
And yes, Erfworld started it during some summer-updates when even the 1 image was done by various fans because the artist had problems, so now they’re redoing them.
Well… text-updates don’t necessarily have to be huge text-walls. Most of Erfworld’s text-updates were more than one DIN A4 page (some were probably even way more than 5 pages), so yes, Rob took text-updates to the extreme. 🙂
But NAV does have those interviews from last December and they’re mainly dialogue as well. What would you say to text-updates that are about that length?
Ok, I give in. 🙂
I’m going to read the new Erfworld text-update now. ;-p
You kinda know, for some readers english isn’t their first language. And reading big texts in foreign language is annoying, especially if we have to look every fifth word in a dictionary or something.
Besides, I believe that comics aren’t books… and if an artist can’t show everything they want without text pages, they shouldn’t bother making comics in the first place.
Sorry if that sounds too harsh. Just telling what I think.
So far this comic is great, so I believe Aneeka doesn’t need to change the way to tell the story.
I’m German, i.e. not a native-speaker either, so stop whining and learn some more words. 😉
Well, I think you’re too harsh on comic-writers, because that kind of thinking (express everything or you shouldn’t do it) is too black-and-white. Just read some Asterix for example or Mickey Mouse. Those comics have occasional text-boxes, mostly in the upper left corner of a panel.
Peh. you’re german. that hardly counts. at least you don’t need to completely learn grammar from the ground up.
… I like text updates too.
Well, german and english are quite close. I am russian, and russian and english have almost nothing in common. First look on long english text gives to me similar impression as does the first look on long chinese text.
As for ocassional text boxes – they aren’t full text pages, so this point is invalid as well.
I’m russian too and i disagree. Because, you know, 80% of russian schools have at least 7-year long english course.
I’m Brazilian and we have 12-year long English courses at school, but they don’t really do much even at the best schools…
And yeah, full text pages are very different from big textboxes, and if you have to rely on the former, you’re not doing a very good job on comic writing.
None of my points are invalid, Nikary. You just need to stop using a black/white way of thinking, because otherwise you won’t be able to make any valid points, let alone gain the ability to understand the possibilities of art.
I can read German comics (technically read 5 years of German in school), but not German newspapers. Finnish is my native language and it, too, has nothing in common with English. The only reason I’m so fluent with it (in written form at least) is that I’ve been actively and consciously using it to write since 1999. Not everyone can put as much energy and time into learning a new language, so saying “stop whining and learn some more words” is extremely rude and presumptious.
I say give it a try. You wont know until you do. If you like how it turns out then keep it, otherwise you can stop having gained the insight.
Not really sure how well text updates would translate in book form- remember, this isn’t just a webcomic.
That being said, I wouldn’t be opposed to it.
I’d imagine people have gotten fairly good at putting text in books after all these thousands of years?
Look at comic books. They don’t have wall-o-text to go with the pictures.
Don’t do text updates, please.
At least not main-continuity ones; side ones (such as explainations of how this or that part of L.i.F.e. or The Game work, for pedantic people who care) could work really well as long as they’re not required reading and don’t replace comic updates.
Is that one of the hacker hunters in the flasback?
Ohh… This is an interesting turn of events. I wonder how everyone’s going to react to that. Will they be understanding, will they be unreasonable, or will they just try to figure out how to help Kleya Smith calm down and get back in the game to play in a “Villain” group.
That guy needs to see a dentist…
I was thinking the same… His teeth look very sharp, too.
The dentists might take over, you can’t trust them with their tiny tooth cleaning implements
I love the teeth in panel two. So well drawn.
And poor Kleya…
Back to reality. It was so amazing looking before I wonder how much better it is going to be since you originally drew reality. Especially since you keep going to art workshops and devoting your time to increasing your ability.
Actually, a lot of people really really like villains, Kleya. Just be the magnificent ba*tard kind, and you’ll get all the fangirls.
Wait, that only works for guys… I guess it’s time to show some cleavage. Marketing says that usually sells. (j/k, I like that the costumes aren’t super revealing and stuff.)
Perhaps it sounds strange, but the broken teeth in the flashback are great! 😀
Panel #2: ouch. It doesn’t say it, but I suspect that Kleya is mentioned by chipped tooth by name – to everyone on the planet.
It’s not just “kill all the hackers”. It’s “kill all the hackers, but especially their leader”.
We are getting bits an pieces of what happened, and we are running under the assumption that she did something horrible before the start of the comic. We also know that she is the best programer in the world (based off of this: http://navcomic.com/not-a-villain/page-229/). I’m wondering if what happened was not really her fault (but that she had some sort of tie to it), and she is just being used as a scapegoat by the higher ups.
I think that if it wasn’t her fault, she’d be a bit less torn up over it. I read her as trying to atone for something she did, and using public perception as a metric for it, rather than just trying to change her public perception.
Very good points. She doesn’t need to be the one who made things get so bad, so just had to be the one who made it easy for the ones who did. She could have been a leader of a group, but groups can do things their leaders don’t want. Without the leader knowing until its too late to do anything or say you had no part in it.
Besides, people can convince themselves of anything. Some can convince themselves they are blameless. Others can do the opposite. Both can be wrong.
its gotta be directly her fault, unintended I could believe but the heart of it would be something she did.
the best she could have been was lash out in some sort of self defence and it escalated from there get mother by mistake when she tried to stop you sort of thing
also I could beleive starting a group that then got out of control and went in its own direction as a sort of mob mind thing being part of it
You know, I think Kleya might have a few mental issues.
Who would have thought a young woman who has been reviled and blames herself for somethings that are horrible beyond words would have psychological issues, right? :3
Whoever that person is in Reality, they have some jacked up teeth.
The fact you chose to make his teeth jagged adds up the the realism of the comic. I love it 😀
Apparently people were afraid dentists would take over the world before the programmer rebellion, also farmers (now they eat processed paste because there’s no more real food), doctors (who are now so rare that nobody can get help from one outside of a city) and anyone else with skills outside of facebookery or playing L.i.F.e. and The Game… What kind of horrific post-apocalypse is this?
OK, may I suggest that Mr. Tooth is Daddy? We can start adding up evil characteristics, mix in some enjoyment of the adrenaline rush and a dislike of taking responsibility for his own actions. Brilliant, mad, irresponsible . . . mom was gentler, Kleya loved her, mom is dead . . .
ha, I was just thinking how this guy has the exact same teeth *as me* maybe we’re the same person and I just forgot writing your comment
Kleya’s dad must be the chairman of TENka, so that it would all work out. Sweet, loving mom, who’s dead because of evil overlord dad who took advantage of trusting, innocent daughter, who subsequently became vengeful, self-blaming master of all things computery. This is based off of an assumption of truth of only the first four paragraphs of Orange Blossom’s Violist’s post.
other flashbacks it sounds like before she was a daddy’s girl up to the moment mom died and now shes all about how great and nice and good mom was so thats klea’s thing now.
D***it, we must learn about her backstory as soon as possible! I’m coming up with all sorts of theories but I don’t want to make any stupid guesses that’ll be too far off from the truth!
“Beam me out, Scotty!” 🙂
I enjoyed watching your art style develop :-). The story is riveting even though I feel like I have little idea what is going on (other than the Apocalypse, and vr and what not).
I wonder if the flashback guy is the President…
I skip text updates. 🙁
Sorry, but they’re exceedingly boring when used to replace actual comics, especially if they take up an update day. I like my eye-candy.
However, my eyeballs are happy to gobble up text stuff in the extras section, for some weird reason. Maybe because it’s not pretending to be a comic? *Shrug* Who knows..
Regarding text updates, if you are Homestuck, you can even pull off T3XT L1K3 TH1S 4ND 4LSO 1N TURQUO1S3 and people will still read it (= Still needs illustrations though, and only really works for dialogue sequences where nothing changes visually/