Colors by Audrey. Everything else is by me.
I love Kats face in panel 3.
She needs to get used to actually speaking those one-liners, pleasing the fans, instead of just whispering them.
So many people will end up underestimating Kat because she is Erbana, not realising that she is as much a power player as the Bandit.
I think its probably good she whispered, just because she’s literally interrupting the Mani’s sentence, so such a long thing really wouldn’t sound as great as it would if said after a moment of silence.
dude gave her an opening by being a major distraction and disrupting her influence ability. and we all know how effective kat can be with a big opening.
“I could also simply be overthinking it. ”
Yes, I think you are. Aneeka doesn’t seem to be basing the Game on any conventional RPGs, most of which are derivations of one another. While there are certain features common to many games that you can draw comparisons to, I think your “standard four types” system is fairly limited and doesn’t map to the Game well at all. Even in tabletop RPGs, things have evolved quite a bit since the days of Fighter/Thief/Mage/Cleric, never mind that the Game is merging character class and alignment much more thoroughly than most games do.
i agree that most classes fit with in those main four but what i think storyteller meant was that both erbana and demoli wait for chances and use them well. they wait for openings in order to cause the most powerful effect.
you’re right on that at least, erbana is a punisher, not a “hide behind my shield until you leave” turtle
I’m just waiting for Aneeka to come and read all of this and think “wow, I didn’t think about it that way” and come and tell us that she didn’t base them off of the 6-role thing at all and we’re all just looking way too deeply into this.
Oh, no, no, I’d never do that; I love reading fans’ theories and arguments (as long as they stay still civil, of course)! I find it fascinating to see how people think 😀
She’d better have actually made the game (at least the playstyles), or it’s not gonna be fun!
(Erfworld was designed by a master game designer)
Off the top of my head:
Any of the Battletech RPGs
Most nWOD White Wolf splats don’t fall too well into the 4 classes(except werewolf)
Through the Breach
Somewhat Iron Kingdoms
On the video game side
Divinity: Original sin
Ultimately it’s a useful but limited way of looking at games. Especially here where the Game doesn’t seem to adhere to many most modern day game theory. That said, if this interpretation works for you, then as you said Demoli and Herbana would both have aspects of the Control box which works with what it sounded like Storyteller was saying.
Pardon, but this is simply idiotic.
You have “ranged attackers” — their ability is to target people being shielded.
You have “shields” — their ability is to take damage and keep going (Platemail!)
You have “Glass Cannons” — dish a lot, but can’t take it.
You have “Strategists” — they get the slow spell, they warp spacetime, they change the playspace.
You have “stealth and speed” — this is thief, but it’s also ninja, and ranger in the wood.
And then you have the f***ing wildmage, who doesn’t know what he’s going to cast next. Hide.
Mentalists of all freaking sorts in rolemaster.
How about illusionists? Their main strength is in creating new realities. If you make an illusion real enough, it is indistinguishable from reality…
…the feeling when never got to play D&D.
…..aaaanywayyy, yeah, I did say in my earlier comment that these alignments feel pretty neutral. Kesti’s more like a mercenary, and what about fighting to protect people? But the thing is, in Game mechanics these all count as specifically hero or villain.
By the way, I’d say Mani actually is the most evil one out of the three. There’s more to evil than just taking lives, you know.
Well that’s leaving aside all the supplement classes. Specially the whole “villain” segment. But yeah, good summary for the basic ones. And frankly I don’t feel like going to check every g-d d*** expansion and am pretty sure no one feels like it, so it’ll do XD
Read that Hitter first as Hilter XD
I would argue your four roles are a valid categorization, but not the best one. I’ve always been irked by the existence of “crowd control” in League being used to refer to single-target stuns, and empowered-maximized-born-of-three-thunders-explosive-ice-substitute-snowcasted fireball (aka tons of damage in a 20 foot circle) casters calling themselves “control”. It’s not useful to say “hey that guy’s a control caster” when it could mean slinging fireballs or entangling one target. You could argue that “control” covers -only- area of effect, but then what does single-target debuff fall under?
Love Kat’s smile in the last panel! 😀
Although Bandit will recognize this smug attitude. 😉
Well, during the 1st quest (find glowey stone :P) what we saw was pretty much what the audience saw, so while not all of these shots would be seen by the viewers (I’m guessing some would be just for us, unless our highly capable Creator says otherwise), it is possible. I can see old Paddy doing this with the camera to build interest in the team. Just as long as they don’t blow Kat’s cover (she can see the code, so she’d know WHERE Paddy’s put the camera), I can see her letting them work the camera angles like this…
That is a phenomenal facial expression.
Let’s hope the game camera got it, it would make a fantastic poster for Kat’s fans.
One enemy trump card: Neutralized.
Never underestimate the power of a running screaming man to be a distraction.
If he had the right skills/abilities/equipment, he could then use Kat’s move as a distraction & take 1 or 2 down from the rear…
Love it! And that smirk. Hehe.
“Be a cute thing and go fetch some plants, hmm?”
Took a while, but found the reference. I bet Kat’s been eagerly waiting for THIS little event to happen…
Oh, thanks for the link, I was wondering about this!
I really like Kat’s expression and pose in the last panel. So smug~
Amen. to both. Very nice artwork!
Hm, now that the mani is out of the way she can probably get rid of everyone else by giving them a quest to buy her plants in the harbor. She can offer healing as a reward, which they need.
Way to look like a villain even with a hero alignment.
Is there a such a thing as a sadistic pacifist?
I think Kleya may have just invented it.
Weeeeeeell I don’t know about sadistic pacifist but “Cruel Mercy” is a trope…
Yep, TVTropes confirms Cruel Mercy is indeed a thing…
Besides, why should the bad guys have all the cool looking stuff, including the bad*ss posses/looks, etc…
Have you read Worm? Its healer type character embodies this.
Kat. Still rubbish at acting heroic.
To me, it seems like less of a Good/Evil divide and more of a Lawful/Chaotic divide. I play tabletop RPGs fairly often, and although my GM makes my group play Good I just play Chaotic and get away with insane amounts of killing and such. Kat can’t kill, but she can play in a villain group.
BAM! That was so epic.
I also love how Kat is whispering all of that. Makes it extra unnerving.
Aw, why did Kat whisper that cool one-liner? Her fans would’ve loved it. Well, maybe they would’ve said “Wow, you’d be such a cool villain! I love it when you’re mean!”. 😀
Well, I guess we won’t get to know Bellatrice’s name any time soon. Or the names of the others for that matter.
Soooo, doing a head-count here: Kat and injured Danni vs. Albert, Haudrauf, Langusto, Betty and possibly Jane, because Kat wants to stay Nice. I’m still anxious to find out how that fight ends.
I guess it makes sense that many based plants on a mani based island include a CC option.
Of course now that Dominatrix Kleya was here, it will be only known as “Bondage Island”.
@Aneeka: Thanks for making it public! 🙂
That’s….such a perfect name for it xD
Now I can only think of it as “Bondage Island”
LOVE IT! Kat is AWESOME! Such snark and smugness at a level only she can display and it still be cool.
I just love the abject terror on Mani girl’s face.
“My *one* weakness!”
Super aggressive the way she lands her lead foot *beyond* the foe in that first panel. Scary precision and boldness. Would not want to go toe to toe with Kat.
Kat did mention the plants in the local area were the wrong type for healing, guess what type they are good for though ….
Geared towards controlling of course. 🙂
I wonder if Kat has collected some mind control plants as well. Against big blue-haired guy a plant-wrap-up might not be enough.
Nothing brutal like mind controlling mushrooms (yes, mushrooms aren’t plants, I know), just some plants that can let you take a nap or make you chill out or something like that.
Mushrooms the make you chill out or take a nap? Aren’t there something like that in real life… 😛
That said, I know some games have had to edit out things like that because of the same thing in the real world…
Sure there are, but I refer to another type of mushroom that exists in real life, too. 🙂
So in _some_ fantasy settings they aren’t edited out. 🙂
“And the clueless coward once again -” PUNCH IN THE FACE + PLANT MAGIC!
That’s basically how I want to respond to everyone who does nothing but talk big on the internet. Except the plant magic bit. I don’t have that. But I’m sure I’d use it if I had it.
Umm… For some reason, the comic doesn’t load properly anymore, it just appears pixelated as if it stopped loading part way. Yet I can tap and hold (I’m using a tablet) and open the image, it it loads fine. It’s just annoying having to open the image for every new page…. Any ideas?
This page and the last 2, I’ve had the same problem. I sometimes get blurred images if I hit something that cancels a load part way, and can’t fix it till the image falls off my tablets cache, but this last page I was very careful not to hit anything to abort the image load part way. Using an iPad here, had to move to a PC just to read the dialog.
I had someone email me about this a couple of days ago. I don’t know what’s causing it (and it doesn’t happen on my devices so it’s hard to understand the problem), but they managed to fix it by updating their iOS. Maybe you could try that?
Also, it seems to only happen to apple devices, like the ipad and iphone.
I’m getting it on Android 5.0.1, using the Dolphin Browser. No, I’m not udating to 5.1 because on my device that prevents me from ever down reving into a rootable device.
The whisper is awesome, but that immediately makes me wonder: “Who was she whispering to?” I was under the impression that whispers had to have a destination…maybe that’s incorrect.
My current headcanon (which will likely be kverruked in the next comic but whatever) is that she’ whispering to the Mani girl she just pwned. To the girl who taunted her, the Ironic Echo taunts her back, showing how Kat was ready to take her dlwn practically from the start; to all the kthers, it looks like the pacifist got in a lucky shot.
HAHAHA! *Love* it!
Wait, is it my imagination, or is Kat developing a sense of humor? 🙂
We can hope. Her thought/ whisper would have been a good quip to make as the Mani hit the ground.
Nap time for arrogant, annoying Mani girl. Kat just needed a distraction. I am pleased. 🙂
The Dude saved us!! The Dude saved us!!
This. This right here is what I’ve been waiting for since we started this Game session.
The latest update inspired me to:
1) Reread NAVCOMIC.com from beginning to end to get all of the alt text.
2) Reread Magicience from beginning to end. http://tapastic.com/series/magience
3) Rewatch TVTome Adventures from beginning to end. http://kirbopher.newgrounds.com/movies/
4) Rewatch .Hack from beginning to end.
5) Start reading and watching Sword Art Online.
6) Replay .Hack games.
I have finished step #1 and #2 of my MMORPG simulator list. Gonna be a good week.
I think aside from Danni they are the dream team. At least for the level of play that we have seen in the game. From an execution standpoint I think Kat, Dude, Bandit, and Jane could synergize near perfectly with each other. That their Kat and Jane at the least are at complete cross purposes is the only real problem their high performers have.
I wouldn’t be so harsh on Danni. She’s currently clumsy for being a Newbie, but she’s down-to-earth, straight as an arrow, hard-working and very cooperative. She and the Dude seem more like people who follow orders while the other three seem to prefer giving them. The latter can be real problematic in any real life game group, especially when leaders are notoriously stubborn, so I think they’re far from being a dream team. Kat is special for having so much extra information and being very skilled, but that’s rarely the case with leaders.
A) MAKE THIS A REAL GAME. These roles are awesome.
B) 2nd panel, a very excellent “OH SHHII–” face if ever i saw one. :3
Hmm, nice and heroically done in true guile hero fashion. Also why is the heroes that won’t kill you get the scary expressions and laughs?
I really love the artwork, layout, and coloring on this page.
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